Transcript of Senator Miriam Defensor Santiago ’s interview

After the Senate Committee on Energy Hearing With The Respresentatives from the Various Foreign Chambers of Commerce

The Joint Foreign Chambers (JFC) apologized to the Philippine Senate for that letter they sent Pres. Arroyo after Sen. Enrile and I, plus Sen. Arroyo, took turns chastising them for breaking protocol. If they have anything to say about pending legislation, they should say it to the Senate. They should not write the President because it implies that the President could order a co-equal branch of government to do what she wants. And they should not write such a letter and make it public when the Senate is in the middle of debating the amended Epira law which has already took several years. The time to have expressed those sentiments should have been during the committee hearings when the Senate hears all kinds of opinions for and against.

The senators resented the letter for we were expected to lay aside all the things we have been doing on the amended Epira law and give way to the demand of foreign investors to stop amending our own law. But they issued an apology, and in my capacity as chair of the Committee on Energy, the apology is accepted.

However, beyond that, we wanted to know ano ba talaga ang reklamo ninyo na amendahin ang Epira. Sapagkat ang layunin nun ay ibaba ang presyo ng kuryente. Pitong taon na, hindi pa rin bumababa ang presyo ng kuryente kaya tinitignan naming sa Senado kung ano ang magagwa naming hakbang para bumaba ang presyo ng kuryente. Sabi nila (ng JFC) basta wag daw munang amendahin ang Epira.

Pero paulit-ulit naming tinatanong ng mga senador kung ano ba talaga ang ayaw nila jan. Pero ang sagot nila lagi ay malapit ng maprivatize ang Napocor sa katapusang nitong taon kaya’t bakit pa kelangang baguhin ang mga regulasyon. Tinanong sila kung nabasa nila, kasi 60 pages ang amended Epira, pero mukhang hindi. Ang sagot nila ay wala dahil ang mga technical consultants nila ay wala dito.

In my view, they are afraid that the amended Epira will visit or discuss all over again the very notorious IPP contracts where the foreigners are involved. The IPPs are independent power producers; the main power producer in our country is the government through the Napocor. But because of the brownout, Ramos signed contracts with the IPPs at exorbitant costs; and still, we are operating under that legacy. That’s one of the reasons why the price of electricity is very very high.

Under an IPP contract, there is no risk that the investor takes. We are already paying it the capacity service fee and operation and maintenance fee so how come may take-or-pay pa. Binabayaran natin lahat ng ginagamit nila at paggawa nila ng kuryente e bakit pag hindi nating gagamtin ang kuryente pababayarin pa rin tayo? Hindi tama yun. That’s why the public are up in arms against the IPP contracts. I suspect that the evasiveness of the foreign investors today indicate that they do not want to reveal the real reason, which is they don’t want the amended Epira to even mention the IPP contracts.

Nakakasuspetsa talaga kung ano ang angulo nito. Ang angulo natin ay ipagtanggol natin ang ating mga consumer na Pilipino. Ang angulo nila ay gumawa sila ng tubo. Wala namang masama dun kaya natin kinumbida sila e, pero wag naman sana sa pamamagitan nitong mga IPP.

There’s no provision of IPPs on the amended Epira. I think that they are just speculating on fear that maybe someone will stand up during the debates and propose such a position.

Can Congress remove the onerous provision on the take-or-pay?

That’s already part of the amended Epira. That’s what they are afraid of.

With respect to existing contracts we will respect that until the expiration date of that particular contract. We are talking of future IPP contracts.

I think their apology is only an indication that the letter was precipitate, was impulsive; it was an immediate reflex of people who are used to dictating to developing countries our own economic policies. Many of our lawmakers today have been schooled in their very universities and colleges so we’re just reflecting what we’ve learned. Now that we are an independent nation, why is it being held against us that we are able to think for ourselves?

On the conflict of interest that some of the members of the JFC are also partners of local power producers

Yes, they themselves admit it. I said, how can you be so sure that we should not patch Epira, because according to you, power generation will soon be subjected to open access—that is, we can now buy our electricity not only from Napocor but other IPPs. But how can you be so sure that there will be enough IPPs since the law today requires that there should be 70% privatization of Napocor before we can allow open access, before we can allow any power producer to present itself in the market. There are no foreign bidders in Napocor, there are only local bidders and then immediately one of them said, “Ah, we have a big investment in First Gen.” So you see, the foreigners are interested in making profits out of the IPPs, that is the real reason that’s why we’re going around in circles.

They will be called back on the hearings of the anti-trust law. Anti-trust means prevention in monopolies of trade. I am very happy at least the foreigners have been given forewarning at least on the part of the Senate not to dictate our economic policies, not to raise unfounded fears and not to speak in generalities. If only out of courtesy, they should specify what exactly it is that is hurting them in the proposed amended Epira.

Tama lang ba na pagalitan ang mga opisyal ng JFC?

E kung may rason naman kasi. Kung hindi natin itataas ang boses natin sa dayuhan maski mali ang ginagawa mamaya aapakan nalang nila tayo. I think yun yung punto ni Sen. Enrile. He is very capable of exploding, just like me.

They (representatives of the foreign chambers of commers) were very cooperative except that their answers were evasive, they were non-responsive. You cannot blame a witness for trying to get out of a sticky situation.

Can we afford the consequences of displaying our pride?

This is not just mere pride; this is really an assertion of independence from foreigners. We all want you to come here and invest in our country, but please respect our legal system. That’s the point we are trying to make.

Investors watching the hearing will understand that the Senate is responsive to the needs of the times. We cannot calcify into rock the old Epira law because they are more comfortable with it. We are not concerned with the welfare of foreign investors in that way. Our highest concern is the welfare of the Filipino consumer. If those two welfares coincide then we are very happy. If not, then we’ll simply prioritize lower priced power cost.

Can President Arroyo use her emergency powers if the present economic crisis worsens?

The economic crisis is out of our hands, it is being caused by the higher price of oil and by the international food shortage. There is nothing we can do. We are not an isolated island where all of these things are just happening to us. These are world wide afflictions on the entire poor community of the world. If that is the case, upon proper findings, the president, may of course properly exercise her emergency powers but she should adhere strictly to the conditions of the constitution and the Senate will be the first to protest if she does it prematurely.